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Gallus gallus domesticus: Which came first the chicken or the egg?

Posted by lyfedancer
11 June 2009 515 views 15 Comments

From whence the humble chicken? Gallus gallus is a domesticated chicken-like bird (thus, the name “chicken”) that originates in southeast Asia. Ever since Darwin we’ve known that the chicken originated in southeast Asia, although the exact details of which one or more of several possible jungle fowls is the primal form has been debated. The idea that more than one wild species contributed to the early chicken has been on the table for a long time, though perhaps not as long as the chickens themselves have been on the table. I am not a very biblical person but pardon me if i quoted these bible verses wrongly.

Genesis 1:24-31 (New International Version)
24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

Now, next question which most love to argue about, which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Genesis 1:24 (New International Version)
24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

However so, Charles Darwin the author of Theory of Evolution states that various animals and plants evolved from ancestors that were not that exact animal or plant. Successive generations gained differences and eventually, a less-developed animal or plant evolved into the more-developed organism. In other words, evolution means that life might have started out with very small animals called amoebas, then grown bigger and bigger, and more and more complex, from eon to eon, and from generation to generation, starting out in the oceans and the primordial soup, then eventually, life evolved into the land animals.

So, based on both the Bible and based on the Theory of Evolution, I believe that the egg came before the chicken. If we call today’s chicken an example of an animal that is 100% a chicken, and call some very-distant ancestor an animal that was 0% chicken, then at some point in the in-between-past, we had an animal that was something like 49.999% a chicken, that laid an egg, that hatched an animal that was maybe 50.002% a chicken. But every egg was 100% an egg, I’d guess, so the egg came first.

15 Comments »

  • Christopher said:

    But how would an egg hatch without a parent?

  • Genez said:

    incubation?

  • lyfedancer (author) said:

    If the egg is not necessarily of any specific type: Then it could be said that the egg came first, because other animals had been laying eggs long before chickens existed, such as the dinosaurs. In biology, egg is used as a general term in this way.

    If only an egg that will hatch into a chicken can be considered a chicken egg: Then a re-consideration of the original question suggests: Some animal other than a chicken laid the first chicken egg which contained the first chicken. In this case the chicken egg came before the chicken. In reality, many scientific theories suggest that this would not have been a simple event. For example, the theory of punctuated equilibrium theorizes that the actual speciation of an organism from its ancestral species is usually the result of many mutations combined with new geographical surroundings, called cladogenesis.

    If only an egg laid by a chicken can be considered a chicken egg: Then a re-consideration of the original question suggests: The first chicken (which hatched from a non-chicken egg) laid the first chicken egg. In this case the chicken came before the chicken egg. Again, this would not necessarily be a straightforward event.

    Taken from Wikipedia – Chicken or the egg: Responses to the dilemma

    However, in Darwin’s theory, he also mention that the chicken egg came from a different species because a chicken could not have its genetic material altered during life, so the egg must have evolved and been first. The egg came first because the chicken descended from a dinosaur, and it laid an egg that was changed from Darwin’s theory.

    If you were to argue that the chicken came first, literally speaking, yes, the chicken came first. It is written in the bible that God created chicken on the seventh day and it did not mention anything about any animal’s eggs. But again, this is not scientifically proven that God really did created chicken (not that I am against religion but I am trying to be very practical on this based on proven facts).

  • Christopher said:

    So did the dinosaur or the dinosaur egg come first?

  • stephenstreets said:

    Christopher said:

    So did the dinosaur or the dinosaur egg come first?

    I think Darwin came out of the egg first , that’s why he knows a lot about evolution and dinosaurs

    LOL

  • lyfedancer (author) said:

    stephenstreets,
    LOL! I wonder if it was pun intended or not ;D Anyway, answers to Christopher’s question.

    25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

    It did not specifically mention that God created chicken or He did not but it was scientifically proven that there were dinosaurs back in the old old old days. So, the possibility of egg comes first is higher.

  • Christopher said:

    Wait, why does the egg comes first if the dinosaurs came first?

  • lyfedancer (author) said:

    Christopher,
    Because dinosaurs lay eggs. You know, mix breed and so on ;D That is my theory, btw, the mix breed thing. Remember the Doberman + Chihuahua = Doberchi? Haha!

  • Christopher said:

    So in conclusion, egg in general comes after the animal ie. dinosaur eggs came after dinosaurs.

  • Steven said:

    lol lol.. why la argue on this.. pening man.. u can try borrowing darwin’s theory of evolution den read.. very very long.. i personally am really not into the evolution part of it.. all i can say is.. basically..
    a. An egg comes first if u dont care wat egg it is.. When aquatic organisms started to move onto terrestial habitats and colonize them without relying on a water source for breeding, they created EGG lol.. without the egg shell, the cannot reproduce as it requires an aqeous environment to proliferate.
    b. During the fertilization of gametes, genetic variation occurs and at the same time, mutation MIGHT occur. Over gazillion of generations of breeding after many weird mutations and adaptations and speciation, things such as duck became slightly not the OLD duck anymore. Could be improved or even made suckyfied. Sooner or later, that weird duck is known to be another species, maybe called CHICKEN lol..

    I hope I am making sense. I just suddenly feel like leaving some weird comments LOL !! Nice web btw.. how come no1 tell me u all made this webbie ><”

  • lyfedancer (author) said:

    Steven,
    Because small boy is curious! Haha. You know where I can borrow? Tried my uni’s library but they don’t have it.

    Oh and thanks for answering Christopher’s question. I shall give you the fullest permission to answer his next load of remaining questions ;D

    Er. I thought EJ posted it all over his fb already? Haha. Sorry!

  • Christopher said:

    So the aquatic organisms came before the egg la

  • Steven said:

    some aquatic organism lays egg.. but its true that in general, aquatic organism came before egg as come organism breed by binary fission and budding :P

  • Steven said:

    oh oh and btw lyfe, i dont tink u can get a real copy of it lol.. u shud try online journal.. or the reworked version…

  • Christopher said:

    So therefore organisms came first before the egg =)

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